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	<title>Comments on: Woy Woy road closed</title>
	<link>http://www.blinnov.com/2008/04/29/woy-woy-road-closed/en/</link>
	<description>another brilliant mind poisoned by c++</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Edward James</title>
		<link>http://www.blinnov.com/2008/04/29/woy-woy-road-closed/en/#comment-1019</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is plenty of evidence around which shows that bought and paid for media have an underserved respect for Gosford City Council. The collapse of Bulls Hill occurred because two pipes were completely blocked the one just below the collapse site had its outfall end buried under almost two metres of road embankment. Elected representatives were present when i handed out photos exposing the neglect but they remained uninvolved so to speak. I am working on new reports since the coroner handed down his findings on the 18 of September. On that issue I had to go public on the ABC Radio to get the recalcitrant  council to post those findings on our council  web site. It took me almost three weeks. 

This is some news with photos which I have put on indymedia with some comments. There is also contact details should you wish to ask questions. I will be doing stuff on Piles Creek also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is plenty of evidence around which shows that bought and paid for media have an underserved respect for Gosford City Council. The collapse of Bulls Hill occurred because two pipes were completely blocked the one just below the collapse site had its outfall end buried under almost two metres of road embankment. Elected representatives were present when i handed out photos exposing the neglect but they remained uninvolved so to speak. I am working on new reports since the coroner handed down his findings on the 18 of September. On that issue I had to go public on the ABC Radio to get the recalcitrant  council to post those findings on our council  web site. It took me almost three weeks. </p>
<p>This is some news with photos which I have put on indymedia with some comments. There is also contact details should you wish to ask questions. I will be doing stuff on Piles Creek also.</p>
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		<title>By: Pye</title>
		<link>http://www.blinnov.com/2008/04/29/woy-woy-road-closed/en/#comment-1018</link>
		<dc:creator>Pye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blinnov.com/2008/04/29/woy-woy-road-closed/en/#comment-1018</guid>
		<description>Check out this article by Ed James on Sydney Indymedia.
http://sydney.indymedia.org.au/story/leask-creek-bridge-somersby-smaller-version-what-proposed-piles-creek-death-trap-site</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out this article by Ed James on Sydney Indymedia.<br />
<a href="http://sydney.indymedia.org.au/story/leask-creek-bridge-somersby-smaller-version-what-proposed-piles-creek-death-trap-site" rel="nofollow">http://sydney.indymedia.org.au/story/leask-creek-bridge-somersby-smaller-version-what-proposed-piles-creek-death-trap-site</a></p>
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		<title>By: vital</title>
		<link>http://www.blinnov.com/2008/04/29/woy-woy-road-closed/en/#comment-778</link>
		<dc:creator>vital</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blinnov.com/2008/04/29/woy-woy-road-closed/en/#comment-778</guid>
		<description>Hi Edward,

Thanks for such an interesting comment, the more we know about these stories the more questions arise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Edward,</p>
<p>Thanks for such an interesting comment, the more we know about these stories the more questions arise.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward James</title>
		<link>http://www.blinnov.com/2008/04/29/woy-woy-road-closed/en/#comment-776</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 01:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blinnov.com/2008/04/29/woy-woy-road-closed/en/#comment-776</guid>
		<description>I have provided photos of the inside of the pipes under the cracking section of Woy Woy road North of Staples Lookout and photos of the two blocked pipes which were the main cause of the collapse of Bulls Hill to the Express Advocate and Telegraph. Also the recent and related story about repairs to the F3 culvert in the Express Advocate last week seemed to ignore the fact that it is yet another rusted out steel culvert pipe just like Piles and Leask Creeks. The RTA told the coroner  who is investigating the deaths of the Bragg family in Piles Creek, that the steel pipes should have been  remedied with a concrete lining in the invert of the pipes to protect them from corrosion and collapse. Why would the RTA tell the coroner that it had warned councils they needed to do this work , and then not do it in their own maintenance program for the F3 spaning over twenty years?. See my report on the F3 with photos here 
http://sydney.indymedia.org.au/story/has-rta-failure-left-minister-roads-catch-22

If you would like instructive photos taken inside the pipes on Woy Woy Road just ask. I also have photos taken inside the pipes at Piles Creek post collapse and under Leask Creek prior to the collapse and inside the pipes under the near collapse on Central Coast Highway at Kariong Hill and also the Concrete culvert just up the hill about thirty meters from that spot. Another culvert  which is also breaking apart due to undermining with water. The bought and paid for media is perceived to be avoiding informing its readership of the full story. Why? 
Edward James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have provided photos of the inside of the pipes under the cracking section of Woy Woy road North of Staples Lookout and photos of the two blocked pipes which were the main cause of the collapse of Bulls Hill to the Express Advocate and Telegraph. Also the recent and related story about repairs to the F3 culvert in the Express Advocate last week seemed to ignore the fact that it is yet another rusted out steel culvert pipe just like Piles and Leask Creeks. The RTA told the coroner  who is investigating the deaths of the Bragg family in Piles Creek, that the steel pipes should have been  remedied with a concrete lining in the invert of the pipes to protect them from corrosion and collapse. Why would the RTA tell the coroner that it had warned councils they needed to do this work , and then not do it in their own maintenance program for the F3 spaning over twenty years?. See my report on the F3 with photos here<br />
<a href="http://sydney.indymedia.org.au/story/has-rta-failure-left-minister-roads-catch-22" rel="nofollow">http://sydney.indymedia.org.au/story/has-rta-failure-left-minister-roads-catch-22</a></p>
<p>If you would like instructive photos taken inside the pipes on Woy Woy Road just ask. I also have photos taken inside the pipes at Piles Creek post collapse and under Leask Creek prior to the collapse and inside the pipes under the near collapse on Central Coast Highway at Kariong Hill and also the Concrete culvert just up the hill about thirty meters from that spot. Another culvert  which is also breaking apart due to undermining with water. The bought and paid for media is perceived to be avoiding informing its readership of the full story. Why?<br />
Edward James</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Stone</title>
		<link>http://www.blinnov.com/2008/04/29/woy-woy-road-closed/en/#comment-765</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blinnov.com/2008/04/29/woy-woy-road-closed/en/#comment-765</guid>
		<description>Firstly, it's truly bizarre to see so many people I know from "Reality" participating in an internet forum by mere coincidence! Hello to you all!

Secondly, and perhaps more on relevantly - It's truly disappointing that there appears to have been a consistently contemptuous approach to the maintenance of arterial roads within the Gosford City Council governing area. There have been more cracks, erosion, and general road damage come to light over the last 6 months - reaching nearly phenomenal levels. Such as the main erosion on Bulls Hill, the crack further up that strip, another on the approach from Kariong, and a disaster waiting to happen with significant erosion on the downhill slope of the Pacific Highway towards Gosford. 

All of which did not come to light until nearly 12 months after a almost identical - yet fatal - incident on the Pacific Highway going through Somersby. Unfortunately rather than performing an assessment of other local roads roads in similar environmental contexts or performing a revision of policy and funding around the issues of assessment and maintenance we merely had a series of underfunded bureaucrats rushing to save their jobs. And who can blame them? Assuming that at least the majority of them are genuinely doing there best to improve the state of affairs, how can you fight against a corroding system?

This issue has raised the pulse on a great number of people within our community in an unprecedented way. It's fantastic to see so much will and unity, however I can't help but feel that directing our anger at current officials for in-action or delays is (at this stage) the most effective course of action. Sure it may be immediately satisfying, however the years of inaction are exactly that. Years of inaction. Once the physical issue of Woy Woy Road has been resolved we must persist with this energy to resolve the bureaucratic road blocks that have hampered or avoided the maintenance of these core elements of infrastructure on the coast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, it&#8217;s truly bizarre to see so many people I know from &#8220;Reality&#8221; participating in an internet forum by mere coincidence! Hello to you all!</p>
<p>Secondly, and perhaps more on relevantly - It&#8217;s truly disappointing that there appears to have been a consistently contemptuous approach to the maintenance of arterial roads within the Gosford City Council governing area. There have been more cracks, erosion, and general road damage come to light over the last 6 months - reaching nearly phenomenal levels. Such as the main erosion on Bulls Hill, the crack further up that strip, another on the approach from Kariong, and a disaster waiting to happen with significant erosion on the downhill slope of the Pacific Highway towards Gosford. </p>
<p>All of which did not come to light until nearly 12 months after a almost identical - yet fatal - incident on the Pacific Highway going through Somersby. Unfortunately rather than performing an assessment of other local roads roads in similar environmental contexts or performing a revision of policy and funding around the issues of assessment and maintenance we merely had a series of underfunded bureaucrats rushing to save their jobs. And who can blame them? Assuming that at least the majority of them are genuinely doing there best to improve the state of affairs, how can you fight against a corroding system?</p>
<p>This issue has raised the pulse on a great number of people within our community in an unprecedented way. It&#8217;s fantastic to see so much will and unity, however I can&#8217;t help but feel that directing our anger at current officials for in-action or delays is (at this stage) the most effective course of action. Sure it may be immediately satisfying, however the years of inaction are exactly that. Years of inaction. Once the physical issue of Woy Woy Road has been resolved we must persist with this energy to resolve the bureaucratic road blocks that have hampered or avoided the maintenance of these core elements of infrastructure on the coast.</p>
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		<title>By: vital</title>
		<link>http://www.blinnov.com/2008/04/29/woy-woy-road-closed/en/#comment-763</link>
		<dc:creator>vital</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 04:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blinnov.com/2008/04/29/woy-woy-road-closed/en/#comment-763</guid>
		<description>Kyle,

Awesome news (may be I should put a countdown on this page? :) )
And if they build walking track it would be even better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle,</p>
<p>Awesome news (may be I should put a countdown on this page? <img src='http://www.blinnov.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )<br />
And if they build walking track it would be even better!</p>
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		<title>By: Kylie K</title>
		<link>http://www.blinnov.com/2008/04/29/woy-woy-road-closed/en/#comment-762</link>
		<dc:creator>Kylie K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 04:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blinnov.com/2008/04/29/woy-woy-road-closed/en/#comment-762</guid>
		<description>Apparently all - the Bulls Hill Road will be open on the 22nd August - with provisions put in place for emergency services immediately to come up the hill to support the Bays area.
Secondly they are working on providing a walking track beside the road! 
Tonight there is a special meeting at 8pm at the Bay Community Group to update all residents. 19 Woy Woy Bay Road
Thanks for all the updates!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently all - the Bulls Hill Road will be open on the 22nd August - with provisions put in place for emergency services immediately to come up the hill to support the Bays area.<br />
Secondly they are working on providing a walking track beside the road!<br />
Tonight there is a special meeting at 8pm at the Bay Community Group to update all residents. 19 Woy Woy Bay Road<br />
Thanks for all the updates!</p>
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		<title>By: vital</title>
		<link>http://www.blinnov.com/2008/04/29/woy-woy-road-closed/en/#comment-761</link>
		<dc:creator>vital</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blinnov.com/2008/04/29/woy-woy-road-closed/en/#comment-761</guid>
		<description>Hi Lyle,

Your paper looks the only one still interested in Woy Woy road affair.
The rest, however, mentioned 50-meter crack in the road this week; but I can't see why it should delay Bulls hill repair though..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lyle,</p>
<p>Your paper looks the only one still interested in Woy Woy road affair.<br />
The rest, however, mentioned 50-meter crack in the road this week; but I can&#8217;t see why it should delay Bulls hill repair though..</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle Stone</title>
		<link>http://www.blinnov.com/2008/04/29/woy-woy-road-closed/en/#comment-759</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyle Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blinnov.com/2008/04/29/woy-woy-road-closed/en/#comment-759</guid>
		<description>Peninsula News (my newspaper) does two pages of Woy Woy Rd each edition, generally (not the coming edition though, just one or two articles).
We haven't even touched on the Belinda Neal story yet. The only news part we think is relevant is whether they did or did not abuse their power, which the police have yet to decide on. Other than that, it isn't really newsworthy, and I think the other publications have turned it into a bit of a beat-up to be quite honest.

On to Woy Woy Rd, it should be open to traffic both ways by August 22 (one of council's acting directors claim). Cr Holstein is making sure that the issue is paid attention to. They have also found another crack about 60 metres up the road from the first one, according to The Bays Community Group vice president. This is what is causing the further delay apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peninsula News (my newspaper) does two pages of Woy Woy Rd each edition, generally (not the coming edition though, just one or two articles).<br />
We haven&#8217;t even touched on the Belinda Neal story yet. The only news part we think is relevant is whether they did or did not abuse their power, which the police have yet to decide on. Other than that, it isn&#8217;t really newsworthy, and I think the other publications have turned it into a bit of a beat-up to be quite honest.</p>
<p>On to Woy Woy Rd, it should be open to traffic both ways by August 22 (one of council&#8217;s acting directors claim). Cr Holstein is making sure that the issue is paid attention to. They have also found another crack about 60 metres up the road from the first one, according to The Bays Community Group vice president. This is what is causing the further delay apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: vital</title>
		<link>http://www.blinnov.com/2008/04/29/woy-woy-road-closed/en/#comment-758</link>
		<dc:creator>vital</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What really upsets me is the fact that it's been two months since road collapsed but still very little has been done is not even mentioned in press at all, while this Iguana's affair, which does not deserve even a fraction of attention it gets now has been a show stopper for almost three weeks so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What really upsets me is the fact that it&#8217;s been two months since road collapsed but still very little has been done is not even mentioned in press at all, while this Iguana&#8217;s affair, which does not deserve even a fraction of attention it gets now has been a show stopper for almost three weeks so far.</p>
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